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Hi everyone

Thanks for all the invaluable information on this website.

My husband and I are in the first stages of buying a villa nr Rethymno. 

The plot will be divided with 3 villas being built in total.

We want to use the villa for holidays for ourselves with a view to possibly retiring there in the future but would really like to be able to rent the villa out to holiday makers to help with all the expenses.

I apologise if I am going over old ground here, but we have been told by the builder that in order to have the EOT licence we must set up a Greek company with the other owners of the villas on the plot.  This is a new one on me and seems unworkable.

I've yet to have this info confirmed by our lawyer but would welcome anyone's thoughts help etc.

Does anyone know of someone in Crete who might be able to help with the EOT minefield.

Also we are buying through Cretan Home, not to be confused with Cretan Homes does anyone know anything good or bad about this developer.

Thanks for all your help.
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Reply #1 - 26. Oct 2007 at 15:38
 
Yes, for an EOT licince, all the houses on a shared plot have to have the licence and have to be registered under the one name. If at a later date one of the owners lets the licence lapse they all lapse.
In order to have the licence either you have to have a property on your own individual plot, or on a plot planned for all the properties to have EOT.
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Reply #2 - 26. Oct 2007 at 17:21
 
Thanks Eleni

As I understand it, the developer is going to apply for EOT for all 3 villas on one application but do you know if we would have to set up a Greek company with the other owners which is what the developer says we will have to do?

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Reply #3 - 26. Oct 2007 at 22:08
 
I think this is a question for your lawyer - but strictly speaking this is the case. Check everything with YOUR lawyer first.
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Reply #4 - 27. Oct 2007 at 09:45
 
ok lets take things step by step like when you teach a baby to walk.
if possible answer to me those questions before i give you my opinion on the subject.

1. is the plot horizontal or vertical ownership? the difference will be explained by others to you so you will know if you should say yes or no to the idea.
2. what is near the location of the future ''villa'' (i put the little '''' in the word villa as the meaning changes in each area/country)
3. what is the size of the plot you will have (not all, just yours)
4. distance from the sea, a village, mini markets, cafes etc
5. sea view yes or no?
6. who makes the plan of the villa? you or the developer?
7. what makes you think that this location/property would be nice in order for one to rent out?
8. why rethymno area?
9. size of villa, number of bedrooms, how many floors, any pool in your plot?
10. why EOT licence along with the others and not solo licence?
11. distance from the closest building
12. say you build it and have a licence. who will look after it when you not here?
13. have you asked any tourism agences for their opinion?
14. when is the building about to start and the prediction to finish?
15. cost of investment (that is something that you dont really have to answer at least give me round about number. eg +100k or +200k etc)

after i know the above and without having seen the location/plans etc i could give a small reply if you should or not do it
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sokin wrote on 27. Oct 2007 at 09:45:
ok lets take things step by step like when you teach a baby to walk.
if possible answer to me those questions before i give you my opinion on the subject.

1. is the plot horizontal or vertical ownership? the difference will be explained by others to you so you will know if you should say yes or no to the idea.
Plot is horizontal

2. what is near the location of the future ''villa'' (i put the little '''' in the word villa as the meaning changes in each area/country)
The house/villa is inside the village limit. There are a few other houses of a similar size to one side and behind. In front and to the other side there is open land. There is good road access to the house.

3. what is the size of the plot you will have (not all, just yours)
430 square metres

4. distance from the sea, a village, mini markets, cafes etc
Approx 500m from the sea and cafes restaurants etc. 250m from nearest mini market. The village is Stavromenos.

5. sea view yes or no?
Yes

6. who makes the plan of the villa? you or the developer?
The Developer

7. what makes you think that this location/property would be nice in order for one to rent out?
This property will be comfortable 3 bed 2 bath with private swimming pool.  It is near to the beach and restaurants etc.  Also easy access to Rethymno, Panormo, Bali and the airports.

8. why rethymno area?
Good range of facilities for tourists, Rethymno historic attractive town. Centrally located to explore other areas of Crete, not too far from airports. Established location for tourists

9. size of villa, number of bedrooms, how many floors, any pool in your plot?
131 square metres, 3 bedrooms, 2 floors, 2 bathrooms with private pool

10. why EOT licence along with the others and not solo licence?
We would prefer a solo EOT licence but have been told we must have one with all the others.

11. distance from the closest building
Approx 5 m

12. say you build it and have a licence. who will look after it when you not here?
We would employ an agent to clean & maintain the property when we are not there.

13. have you asked any tourism agences for their opinion?
No - not yet

14. when is the building about to start and the prediction to finish?
The building has started and is planned to finish Summer 2008

15. cost of investment (that is something that you dont really have to answer at least give me round about number. eg +100k or +200k etc)
+200k

after i know the above and without having seen the location/plans etc i could give a small reply if you should or not do it


Thanks for your reply.

Please see my comments to your questions above.

Your thoughts are much appreciated.
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Reply #6 - 30. Oct 2007 at 03:31
 
thawkins wrote on 29. Oct 2007 at 18:23:
sokin wrote on 27. Oct 2007 at 09:45:
ok lets take things step by step like when you teach a baby to walk.
if possible answer to me those questions before i give you my opinion on the subject.

1. is the plot horizontal or vertical ownership? the difference will be explained by others to you so you will know if you should say yes or no to the idea.
Plot is horizontal
in that case check out what happens with ownership in case you want to sell, and with the property in general as you will get to rent it out to tourists


2. what is near the location of the future ''villa'' (i put the little '''' in the word villa as the meaning changes in each area/country)
The house/villa is inside the village limit. There are a few other houses of a similar size to one side and behind. In front and to the other side there is open land. There is good road access to the house.
i like the fact that 2 sides are free, not that 2 have buildings. tourists like space.
road is where? infront or behind property? sound travels up. so if road in front that means noise

3. what is the size of the plot you will have (not all, just yours)
430 square metres
SMALL. for a villa is small. i would have say acceptable if plot at the very end of the village or at top of hill or hillside.

4. distance from the sea, a village, mini markets, cafes etc
Approx 500m from the sea and cafes restaurants etc. 250m from nearest mini market. The village is Stavromenos.
good distances etc.

5. sea view yes or no?
Yes
good to have view. any chance in the future some one can block it with another building??

6. who makes the plan of the villa? you or the developer?
The Developer
NOT GOOD. he builds houses for people. tourists are special case. different way to think. as in view, size of windows, location of rooms in the house in order to make it look better. you have to think like a very wealthy demanding tourist to have what you need

7. what makes you think that this location/property would be nice in order for one to rent out?
This property will be comfortable 3 bed 2 bath with private swimming pool.  It is near to the beach and restaurants etc.  Also easy access to Rethymno, Panormo, Bali and the airports.
skip those. why would someone rent yours and not some ones else villa. most villas can have what you say. what makes it special??

8. why rethymno area?
Good range of facilities for tourists, Rethymno historic attractive town. Centrally located to explore other areas of Crete, not too far from airports. Established location for tourists
established yes. is it going downhill or not? competion in the area/perfecture? what will you have in order to stand out from competitors?

9. size of villa, number of bedrooms, how many floors, any pool in your plot?
131 square metres, 3 bedrooms, 2 floors, 2 bathrooms with private pool
size is good. bedroom number good. floors good (not for all ages like kids or elders) pool is a big ++

10. why EOT licence along with the others and not solo licence?
We would prefer a solo EOT licence but have been told we must have one with all the others.
is that because of horizontal?? if not have a solo. as in case the others say no you are doomed

11. distance from the closest building
Approx 5 m
VERY CLOSE. VERY!!!!!!
tourists need space. to feel safe and that no one can see them. 5m means basically no boobs out in the pool. so no privacy so unhappy clients

12. say you build it and have a licence. who will look after it when you not here?
We would employ an agent to clean & maintain the property when we are not there.
6 months tourism season. if property not on quarante that means about 1-3month of occupancy. they get paid yearly. will you make any profit or not??

13. have you asked any tourism agences for their opinion?
No - not yet
DO ASK. start with small ones to see if interested. them move to big TO but carefull. TO want GOOD ones

14. when is the building about to start and the prediction to finish?
The building has started and is planned to finish Summer 2008
finishing Summer of 08 means forget tourists till 2009. you need time to furnish it, have fotos, find agents etc.i have not added the ''usual'' delays for different building reasons

15. cost of investment (that is something that you dont really have to answer at least give me round about number. eg +100k or +200k etc)
+200k
in how many years you expect to have return of capital? say 20? that is 10k per year. work out maths for cleaning etc, taxes, and see what price you should rent it out for. make the best and worst case scenario of 1,2,3 month occupancy

after i know the above and without having seen the location/plans etc i could give a small reply if you should or not do it


Thanks for your reply.

Please see my comments to your questions above.

Your thoughts are much appreciated.

further posting will follow. now its to late for me to think. the above is just a few things i needed to know and also to give you something to think
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Reply #7 - 30. Oct 2007 at 12:29
 
ok we had our second morning coffee so easier to think. from what i understand you want a house for you for later on, and on the main time you will rent it out to make out part or all of the building cost.
The idea is correct on its basic points. as you can see above there are to many things that you have to take into consideration like gardening, cleaning, taxes, A/C, furniture, advertising and so on.
one other think that i just remembered is the pool. after a specific deapth you need to have a licence and a life quard. dont remember deapth but you should try to find out so you will be ok with that part to.
go out and about and start looking at brochures with villas for 2008. see if you find similar ones in rethymno area to see what prices the agents sell. from those prices depending the agence you have to deduct 20-50% to see the NET price that the owner is giving them. i can see you smiling now. saying ooOOO i will rent them out on my own with higher prices than NET so better profit. trust me its not easy. first year you will be on the market set low prices so you will be ''pushing'' the property.
there are 3 ways of giving the property to some one to rent it out:
1. quaranty. that means he/she gives you a set amount of money for the 6 months period regardless number of bookings.
2. allotment. that means agent has the booking plan and if you need to add a booking from your clients you ask the agent
3. on request. you have booking plan and everybody else askes you for availability.

i dont want to spoil you the dream, but from what i read on your reply you are not building a villa. according to my standards its just a good looking apartment/house. it is very often that developers and estate agents will tell you that if you get to build or buy a property it will make money as a holiday accommodation. some times they are correct. some times not. dont forget they want to sell, so they sell you a dream. you have to think like a business company if you want to rent it out. yes fair enough in the long term you will be in there living but till then you think differently.
sit down and add the following costs:
monthly load payments
taxes (19% VAT in Greece)
Electricity
water (both for pool/garden and drinking one)
gardening
cleaning
furniture
possible damages
fees to the agent that looks after while you not here
bits and bobs
etc

now possible profit:
good case scenario 3 months, middle scenario 2, worst 1 month.
doomed scenario. NO clients at all. who pays all the clenaing, pool etc??

i dont know your financial statues but if you can afford a risk of no income from the property till finished and also 1 FULL tourism season then do it.
IF you get to have all done by the end of the summer of 2008 that means 2009 proper rental to tourists.

trust me. the EOT licence is the last thing you need to worry. i can name you lots of properties rented out with success that are not licenced by EOT.
a successfull property can make you lots of $$$$.

the sale price from an agent for your property (speculation since i have not seen it) should be 1k-1.6k per week for 5-6 persons depending period of the year. that means about 800-1300 for you per week depending the month and the % the agent adds on top of you NET price.
scenarios:
bad 800x4weeks=3200k
middle 800x8=6400
best 800x12=9600.
the above are calculated on lowest price (low season).
now imagine hight season (July August) with about 1.6k per week.
from the 800 deduct running cost of property and you have clear profit of the week.
can you afford a 500/week? that will make you hit the market the first year. means no or low profit for you but puts you in there for people to go for you. later on you can have an increas in prices something like 10% per year till you find the proper price from the property.

bottom line is: if you can afford the running cost of the property and you dont expect an income from it then do it. all you need is the property to make up its running cost and a bit of income to pay out for its existance (bank loan etc)
hope i didnt confuse you a lot. Huh
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Reply #8 - 30. Oct 2007 at 13:19
 
Dear Thawkins
Think the best thing you can do is try to contact other villa owners who rent out their homes in the summer months.Perhaps contact the  INCO or CIC organisations some of whose members must let out their homes.Look up as much information as possible on the Internet.Just Google EOT licence in Greece and there are many websites to browse.We have friends who only let to people they know ie.friends and neighbours or family
just looked up the regulations if pool is deeper than 1.7m then you would need a lifeguard but I am sure your villa would not have a pool that deep.
An EOT licence is mandatory, as is Insurance. if anything happened to your guests you could risk imprisonment and a hefty fine .Longterm lets ie. for more than three months  dont need a licence
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Reply #9 - 30. Oct 2007 at 17:31
 
As INCO was mentioned by Latsida, can I just make a comment? One of the conditions of INCO membership is that you are a permanent resident on the island. That means that unless you generally own more than property, you will be living in it not letting it! Admittedly we have a few members who are in business here, though none that I know of in the villa letting business! We are also confined to the Lassithi area of the island.

However, CIC does cover both Rethymno & Chania, so that might be worth exploring.
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Sorry Limnes didn't know that.I know a couple of people who live here and rent out other properties they own, one of which was in Limnes and another in Latsida,but they probably are not members of INCO. Embarrassed
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thawkins wrote on 26. Oct 2007 at 17:21:
Thanks Eleni

As I understand it, the developer is going to apply for EOT for all 3 villas on one application but do you know if we would have to set up a Greek company with the other owners which is what the developer says we will have to do?

Thanks again


We are on a shared plot of 2 villas.  Our EOT is going through at the moment, we have jointly applied for EOT but the licence will be split and each property will have EOT as an individual when it is complete.  Our EOT lady is VERY experienced and comes highly recommended to us.  So far, so good.  We have seen our accountant and we have set up our business with him - you DO NOT need to set up a business jointly with the other villas on your plot.  The business we have set is just for us, our neighbours have set up on just for them.  Hope this helps.
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Reply #12 - 30. Oct 2007 at 21:41
 
No problem, Latsida, and I think I know who you mean!  Roll Eyes

It's not really an area that INCO as an entity would want to get involved in. We're mainly a cultural/social organisation, and because we're non-profitmaking and are tax-exempt, we have certain restrictions placed upon us, such as no commercial advertising, etc.

Maybe thakins should attend one of the CIC coffee mornings where CIC members may point him/her in the direction of a member who rents a villa in the Rethymno area.

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Thanks eveyone for all the useful info.

Sandy, I have sent you a pm regarding the lady who has hepled with your EOT
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Reply #14 - 15. Nov 2007 at 16:58
 
I had an interesting chat last night with a local friend of mine.  We were discussing EOT licences - you cant already tell it was a riveting evening - and he was saying you do not need one to rent out your property. 

In fact, he said the only thing you have to do is give your leasing contract to the local revenue office each year so they can determine if there's any tax to pay.  I argued vehemently to the contrary but - and according to him - anyone can rent their property as long as they give copies of the contract to the Revenue office for tax evaluation purposes.

Don't shoot the messenger - just passing on what I was told last night.

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