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Reply #194 - 08. Oct 2015 at 15:01
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The process I have been told for me is the accountant will know first and print out the payment for however many of the five instalments to be paid and then I have to trundle along to the bank and return with the receipt for the file......

Sorry that is all I know....
  

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Are they online for the accountant or can you log in using your tax number to obtain the print off?  Does anybody know?
  
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Reply #192 - 07. Oct 2015 at 09:54
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Kefalas is on the ball.

Accountant says Oct 10 (sat) is the day when 2015 #ENFIA property notices will be issued online  -- unless of course there is a last minute hiccup feeding the info online.

There is still hope the actual rate will be slightly less than 2014, according to the accountant.

  

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Reply #191 - 02. Oct 2015 at 08:56
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Property owners will pay the same amount of Single Property Tax (ENFIA) in 2015 as they did last year after all.

However, it will be paid in five and not six monthly installments, as was the case in 2014, with the first due at the end of October.

The notices for the 6.1 million owners will be uploaded on the Internet in 10 days’ time.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/202111/article/ekathimerini/business/no-change-to-pr...

  
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as much as that Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  
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Sorry should have said 10 cents per person (not per day late)
  
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Reply #188 - 13. Nov 2014 at 15:32
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Is that 10 cents each person or 10 cents for each day late or...?
  
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Reply #187 - 13. Nov 2014 at 15:08
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Also, can I add that people have been told that they will be fined if it is not paid on time.  Friends of mine who were unaware of the payment schedules have just paid their September payment and the fine for being over the payment date was 10 cents each.
  
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Reply #186 - 13. Nov 2014 at 14:47
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no you are not getting the runaround, the system has not been accessible for the last couple of months while they are sorting out all the corrections or omissions. We have been told to phone again later this month to find out if the new calculations are now available, we are paying the original instalments until then but I think that some accountants advised waiting for the revised bills before paying anything. Wink
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Reply #185 - 13. Nov 2014 at 13:39
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I think I am getting the 'run around' from my accountant in Sitia. Back in September I was told that my 'rabbit hutch' of a house was not on the system and I would have to wait till it was try 25 October, told there was a problem with tax office in Agios Nikolaos and would be OK by 10 November so phoned today from the UK anther problem with my tax office to be fixed by Saturday.
So do you think this is a case of fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me fool me thrice, this is for a holiday home I have in Lithines. Undecided
  
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Reply #181 - 27. Aug 2014 at 11:51
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more details today plus a few amendments which will be confirmed today or tomorrow by the Government.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_26/08/2014_542418
  
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Reply #179 - 16. Aug 2014 at 15:13
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"The ministry is keen to allow homeowners to repay the tax, which has fueled public anger and vehement criticism by the political opposition, in six to eight installmentsThe first instalment of the tax, which had been due for payment at the end of July, has already been postponed until the end of September."
quote from this web page
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Reply #178 - 16. Aug 2014 at 12:10
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It seems the deadline for the August installment is now September 18 - a further two week +/- grace period from the original date.

For the most part, the calculation errors applied to other areas, not Crete.

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Reply #177 - 05. Aug 2014 at 11:29
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http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_04/08/2014_541934

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Here is the reason why one should link through to this report. The first para of which reads:
"The Finance Ministry’s online posting of dues for the new Single Property Ownership Tax (ENFIA) on Monday gave the jitters to hundreds of thousands of taxpayers, as tax notifications were evidently based on a plethora of omissions and faulty data.")
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Reply #176 - 05. Aug 2014 at 10:02
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An update on what Kefalas  has written for the property tax collection in 2014.

It seems our ENFIA payments are spread out over 5 equal installments.

These are August, September, October, November and December 2014. Nicely rounding up full settlement in payments in the government's current financial year.

If the property concerned is owned by two people, even a married couple then each pay 50% and are charged separately i.e. double the paperwork.
I would think the same applies if a property is owned by more people, each is sent their proportional payment demand.

Hope this tallies with what other people are receiving from the government via their accountants.

That 15% less to be paid in 2014 compared to 2013 seems about right - at least in the lower property valuation bands on Crete.

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Reply #175 - 19. Jul 2014 at 11:01
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Received today:-

Chania 18/7/2014

Dear Clients,

We would like to inform you that, due to technical problems, the tax authority has not calculated the property tax of 2014 (ENFIA) yet. When we receive the property tax bill we will send you an email notice about the final timetable, the method of payment and the amount of property tax.

The most likely scenario is that the property tax bills will be issued at the end of July.

The full amount of ENFIA can be paid by the end of August with a discount of 1.5%.

Alternatively the ENFIA can be paid in six equal monthly instalments starting at the end of August 2014.

We would like to remind you, that the property tax of year 2014 will no longer be included in the electricity bill. The property tax bill (ENFIA) will be sent to us at the end of July.

Sorry for any inconvenience

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Accounting, tax advice and business consulting 6, Tzanakaki str., 1st floor, office Nr. 8, GR-  73134, CHANIA, CRETE, GREECE, tel.:0030-28210-28469, mobile 0030-6944768871
  
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Reply #174 - 12. Jun 2014 at 14:18
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Well all the earlier posts in this thread are up to last summer. I pointed out then that the Greek neighbours were saying that it would probably take until this year for the new payment process to be finalized. Well here we are mid year and I have not heard anything and neighbours not mentioning how we are going to get billed and what is the payment process involved.

Can anyone update me with what is to happen?

Appreciated.

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Reply #173 - 15. Aug 2013 at 12:59
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my post was for general info with reference to the 15% reduction and not aimed at your specific problem, quite a few people on this and other forums seem to have had their timh zone changed Wink
  
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Reply #172 - 15. Aug 2013 at 10:00
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You've missed my point. There are certain properties, ours among them, that have never had a TIMH ZONE shown on the electricity bill. I'm not sure why, but suspect it might be properties built (relatively) recently and outside of village limits.

Copies of our current bill, sensitive bits obliterated:
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Look at any and all sections, including the Dimos section - there is no TIMH ZONE nor any TAP calculation. This has been the case for all bills we've had over the last 8 years - no T.Z. ever shown.

Last year, the emergency property tax was based on Eur 3 per m2 for our property. This year, it is Eur 4. The change doesn't seem to be linked to any change in T.Z. because there has never, ever (old bill format/new bill format) been a T.Z. shown on our electricity bills.

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Reply #171 - 14. Aug 2013 at 19:01
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LJF wrote on 16. Sep 2011 at 18:49:
According to today's 'Athens News' your price zone can be found on your ΔΕΗ bill. Scrutinising mine, on the second page within the left-hand box there is an equation for ΤΑΠ; the second figure for this is headed as ΤΙΜΗ ΖΩΝΗΣ - I think this is to what they are referring - in my case - 450, which makes my price 3 per sq. m. Hope this might help. Sad


this reply was earlier in this thread, although the format of the DEH  bills has changed your TIMH ZONE rating is still there.
above the payment stub there is a breakdown of the bill.
the TAP calculation is in the DEMOS section , in my case 132 x 500 which puts me in the x 3 bracket
  
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Reply #170 - 14. Aug 2013 at 18:33
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You are right, the latest bill now has a TZ figure, it is 650 and it's put me in the 4 band.
  
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Reply #169 - 14. Aug 2013 at 16:43
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The T.Z. is a number in the hundreds (of Euros per m2) that is used to calculate several property taxes and not just the emergency property tax. Some electricity bills show it, some don't. For most areas in Crete, the main T.Z. break point for the property tax is above or below 500. Below (or equal to 500), the tax was Eur 3 per m2, 500 to 1000 was Eur 4 per m2. Our bill has never shown a T.Z. in the 8 years we've been here, and when the property tax first came in, if you didn't have a T.Z. logged with DEH, you defaulted to Eur 3 per m2. That's what we paid from the inception of the tax until now. For the current year our emergency property tax is now at Eur 4 per m2 base.

If you look at the example on this site and click on the electricity bill, the T.Z. in the example is 1900 (shown in the ΤΑΠ calculation) which gives an emergency property tax rate of Eur 6 per m2.

The paragraph just before the specimen bill makes reference to the default Eur 3 per m2 for properties without a T.Z. Either we have now had a T.Z. > 500 established and passed to DEH, or the default emergency property tax rate for properties with no T.Z. has increased. I don't know which.

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the zone rate is shown
      sq. meters                      Zone price( Latsida)
eg 132       x       1          x   3,00    =396 euros


less 15%


  
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paul g wrote on 14. Aug 2013 at 12:33:
I have discovered why my tax has increased, on the bill the zone figure has risen from 3 to 4 and then a 15% discount was applied, so an overall increase.

I am in the Kato Gouves area, has this happened to anyone else I wonder?

Exactly what has happened to us too. Another poster on another forum has suggested that it is to do with the Τιμή Ζώνης (a tax valuation band), sometimes shown on your electricity bill. If you didn't have a T.Z., the default emergency property tax rate was Eur 3 per m2. The poster on the other forum suggested that if you now have a T.Z., the base rate may increase to Eur 4 per m2. We didn't have a T.Z. shown previously, and still don't, but our base tax rate has gone up to Eur 4 this year. I suspect, whatever the reason, we are stuck with it for this year.

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I have discovered why my tax has increased, on the bill the zone figure has risen from 3� to 4� and then a 15% discount was applied, so an overall increase.

I am in the Kato Gouves area, has this happened to anyone else I wonder?
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received my bill today, the property duty EETA 2013 has been calculated the same as last year but then they apply a reduction of 15%  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  
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Our "new" property tax UP by 27%!!!!
  
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alfred e neuman wrote on 06. Jul 2013 at 12:27:
Oh good,we have our latest electric bill with the "special" property tax,it's gone UP 15%,what next ?



Seems odd, our has gone down 15% as forecast.

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alfred e neuman wrote on 06. Jul 2013 at 12:27:
,people who didn't pay last years property tax are to get a 50% discount,wouldn't it be better to offer a discount for paying on time.


Can you please quote a source, or better still post a link, for this as I do not believe it is correct. I have read of peoples houses being confiscated for non payment.
  

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Oh good,we have our latest electric bill with the "special" property tax,it's gone UP 15%,what next ?
i read that only 450,000 tax returns have been filed as opposed to approx 4.5 million returns,people who didn't pay last years property tax are to get a 50% discount,wouldn't it be better to offer a discount for paying on time.
  

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Does anyone know whether this year's property tax, due on next bill i believe, will be taken all in one go or are we still on installments?

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Reply #154 - 18. May 2013 at 19:17
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Word of warning for those renting and the property tax.  Having moved from my property and paid the electric bill and property tax (which I used to deduct from my Landlord), I recently collected mail from the old address finding I had two electric bills totalling 56.  On querying this with DEH I was informed that I had to inform the tax office that I did not live at the address as the demand had come from them and I owed nothing for electricity.  On visiting the tax office in Heraklion I was then asked for my rental agreement, which of course I no longer had and had not been stamped at the tax office anyways by the Landlord!  I was then told that the amount would show against myself as I could not verify I had rented there and the Landlord had not declared the flat rented.  As I did not have the Landlords address they informed this amount would be left until the next ax year and then linked to the Landlord somehow.  Dont really think this is going to happen and of course not happy that it shows against me.  So, anyone movin g please take your rental agreement to DEH to close off your account so that you dont get into this same muddle.
  
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Reply #153 - 18. May 2013 at 17:18
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So my final installment of the special property tax for 2012 has been paid as part of the latest DEH electricity bill.

My neighbours tell me that it continues on the same installment basis for 2013 - but with a 15 per cent reduction.

They are saying that the government has not straightened out whether DEH will collect and when the tax authority takes over directly.

The local feeling is that it will be 2014 before the tax collection changes are finalized.

I am assured by the same Greek neighbours that they are in no doubt that the tax is here to stay though. No longer a temporary measure to shore up finances.

Can any better informed member than me update the forum as to what really is to happen for 2013/4?

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We haven't been asked by our accountant yet but I wonder what else the taxman wants access to our bills for - other than seeing that we've paid the property tax!!!!! Roll Eyes
  
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Our accountant has informed us that the property tax will continue through 2013 and that we must tell him the lengthy Αριθμός Παροχής, which is printed beneath the date on our electricity bill.
  
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Good news I guess, but presumably nothing changes re liability to pay the tax.

In fact, it's probably worse for all those who were not, in practice, liable to pay, because they were on builder's electric, and therefore no square metreage was held by DEH so no tax could be calculated.

Now that the tax will be calculated and levied by Finance Ministry, I assume, they may get the square metreage from your permit data?   Sad

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There had been several previous rulings against disconnection by lower courts, but it's good news that the Council of State has ruled against.  I assume there is no appeal to a higher court?

Of course, it changes nothing in terms of liability to the tax, but at least one can now choose to defer it as long as one likes without fear of disconection.

Grim days.....

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Estimated DEH bill received yesterday - second part of property tax included.   Happy days!!
  
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more info on the Special Property Duty, this site has now been updated with more info and the reference to the Union has been deleted I think as now I cannot see it in the section provided by Andrew earlier in this thread, see below

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Reply #76 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 12:47pm Latsida

Here is a link to the info re the union, which I found on the American in Athens website as I call it. I think it's actually called something a bit less pithy. Great site though.

http://livingingreece.gr/2011/09/19/new-property-tax-greece/#more-6982

It's right at the bottom, in the section titled "What happens if I refuse to pay".

As with all these things it could be wrong, but it certainly sounds like the sort of thing that would happen. "We're not doing that!" "Here's some money" "Oh, OK then"....... "

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Looks like there is talk of change in the air, but of course, talk is cheap....

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_28/11/2011_416812
  
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Following on from the earlier debate about "wrong" classifications on age of property, I went to my local council office and established the following.

There are two different ways of classifying the age of your property. For a new build it makes no odds, but for a renovation of an old building it all depends on whether you applied for builder's electric or waited and got full electric at the end.

This will only be of interest to a few people but I thought it would be worth posting as a definitive, (as much as that is possible in Greece!) description of the procedures regarding the assessment of the age of a property. Sorry if its a bit esoteric.

Those who read the previous comments will know that I was complaining that my old stone property had been rated as less than 5 years old and was therefore being assessed for the uplifted special property tax at 25% more than if it had been rated at its true age.

The way it works is this. If you have an old property with no electricity, you can apply to the planning office for a certificate stating that the property was built before 1955. They will ask for proof that it is habitable, defined roughly as having a roof and doors and windows. You take this certificate to the local council who will then issue the TAP certificate and you can apply for full electric with whatever other bits of paper are required. The TAP certificate will show a notional date pre-1955, and DEH will put this on their records and your property will be rated at the lowest level for the special property tax.

IF YOU DECIDED TO MISS OUT THE PROCESS OF HAVING THE PLANNERS CERTIFY IT AS AN OLD BUILDING, as many people do in order to crack on with conversion work using builders supply electricity, you have shot yourself in the foot as the TAP certificate issued later by the council for full electric will show the date of your building permit. So DEH will show your property as a new build and you will pay top rate of tax. This is what happened to me.

You cannot later have the oldness certificate issued after getting builders supply.

I hope this is helpful in explaining the apparent variation in classification in old houses.
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There are many examples in history whereby the people have been squeezed until the pips squeak and as is happening today the governments just do not listen and the very rich and powerful become richer and more powerful off the backs of the less well off, hard working people. This is the climate for fascist seemingly charismatic speakers to step in with the pretence of offering renewed hope and thus shafting the existing DEAF, ARROGANT leaders.
It could easily happen today.
I cant understand why it is taking so long to happen.
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Possible leeway on disconnections and inability to pay the new charges?

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_25/11/2011_416439

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Jon, I'm aghast. How the hell did a guy like Voridis get himself a Minister's job? And why did anyone even consider LAOS as a member party of the coalition in the first place?

This is all getting just too depressing. Where will it all end?

I would like to believe that one fascist madman in the government doesn't mean that we'll have jack-booted troops marching down the streets tomorrow, but I so agree with the basic premise that we, (ordinary people), are just being systematically milked by some kind of machine composed of bankers and a tiny number of rich businessmen who are manipulating markets and governments, perhaps almost without realising it.

So what's the latest on default and return to drachma? Do people still believe everyone has been scared off? Or is it still inevitable if there is to be a proper fix to the problem.

Also, this article is very interesting.  Still got Greece by the balls it seems, and will have for ever it seems.  Yet again we're being conned.  All about presentation, mirrors and smoke....  Do the banks actually understand the concept of taking responsibility for their bad gambles?

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite3_4_18/11/2011_415471

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The link below was posted on the other Crete forum but for anyone who's not yet read it then take the time and learn just what's happening over here.

http://exiledonline.com/austerity-fascism-in-greece-the-real-1-doctrine/

And for those who know their history think back to Germany in the twenties and remember how Hitler came to power.  If the EU technocrats aren't careful they will fuel Nationalism and allow people like 'the hammer' to take control of this country.

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sarouskava

Thank you for sharing. Incredible to hear the news of your uncle the Priest, as had been led to believe in Greece Priests paid by the state, somewhere comparable to Officers in the army depending on their degree.
Yes to your question have worked more than 12hrs a day 6 days a week (well maybe 7) and earnt less than 250 for the month & yes had to find the means another way to pay costs for the month.

But to your question of child, wow that is so sad if you are not able to make a small simple cake for some celebration. Presents they can be difficult, what price, well hopefully the child will know they are loved, as that is the most important present. If they understand you are going through difficult times, you will be surprised how little or nothing will be their expectation.

proud nation of people will stand up that could be said of a number of countries in Europe, where so many are going through Hard times.

Hope things get better for you.
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welcome to greece, i am marride to a greek and have lived here for 10 years
we are having to pay lots of things like this every week at the moment, my uncle - who is a preist, had his electricity and phones cut yesterday, as we dont get to pay in instalments, its now ir never
plus bare in mind we work, but do not get paid - the national minimum wage is down to 600 a month, basically it is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
wait and have faith very soon the proud people of this nation will stand up, mark my words it will not be long - we just cant take anymore, we are starving, cold, and close to being on the streets, have you ever worked 12 hour  days 6 days a week, and only been paid 250 for the month - that is how we passed last month - and with that 250, we had to pay 570 - help the nationa tax, 200 electricity (it starts at 60 euros before yoou turn anything on) and it was our sons birthday - have you ever had a child have a birthday and not have enough money to make a cake let alone buy a pressie!
  
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probably, I have not had either yet as our last bill was paid early  last month.
both this years installments are meant to be paid by February next year.
  
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Latsida, Thank you for your help. Does that mean in our case the bill will arrive mid January ?
  
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the four 2012 installments will start in May
  
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I have just received our bill. I understand the bill has to be paid by date shown,which is the end of the month including 1st payment of new tax which is included.

Regarding the 2nd payment of tax : Are they sending out another bill ?
  
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Just thinking ahead a little.  Anyone have any idea what it costs to be reconnected by DEI after a disconnection due to non-payment of a bill?
  
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Hi Fred and Ginger your link on the Two Thessaloniki businessmen have been arrested for failing to settle a tax bills worth 2 million is no longer working.  Am guessing that the newspaper got a complaint and had to delete it

Lawman your comment on Greeks & Others using Tax money to fund affluent lifestyle.  Well there are those who are able to live an affluent lifestyle.
I want to say though, I have a number of friends on Crete, Cretan who have been out of work for years through no fault of their own, as is the case in many countries in Europe,  they are trying to manage best they can.
  
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Lawman wrote on 17. Nov 2011 at 12:47:
. They should be vigorously pursued by the Greek tax authority to reclaim the money................ Due to interlocked interests there is no evidence whatsoever that they are able or willing to do this.


The persuit has started!!

The owner of Bodyline (a multi-millionaire) was arrested at his home in Athens this morning according to the TV news for not paying his taxes.

Two Thessaloniki businessmen have been arrested for failing to settle a tax bills worth 2 million. See here:
http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/1/50507

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Very interesting turn of events.....
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The Greeks and others are using the tax money they should pay to the government to continue to fund an affluent lifestyle. They should be vigorously pursued by the Greek tax authority to reclaim the money. Ah! But there's the rub. A large chunk of this group appear to be exempt from the state mechanisms. Greece will never get out of debt or recover economically or socially until the agents of the state excecute their mandates honestly, evenhandedly and rigourously. Due to interlocked interests there is no evidence whatsoever that they are able or willing to do this. The best idea some time ago was to have an extra-national body collect all the Greek taxes.

Perhaps the Greek people who owe British hospitals over 2-million pounds and do a runner should also be named and shamed and taken to court. Surely European Arrest warrants work both ways?
  
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yes moggy the people in Chania and obviously other parts of Greece that have already been disconnected was for non payment of electricity for one reason or another, there is of course a set period for payment of the new Special Property Tax and we have not reached that yet as the bills have only started arriving these last couple of weeks, the non payment effects will not be felt until just before Xmas.
Some seventeen councils in Greece have advised their citizens not to pay I believe.
there was a move to suggest that people should just pay the Electricity part of the bill but that was scuppered by the courts.
  
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Where super wealthy people invest in London is limited to super rich areas, as these properties may be left empty, they would have now to invest much on security as a number of squat groups are targeting those properties.

If the Euro suddenly crashed tomorrow, then London would be severely impacted not for the better.

With reference to the people who have had their electric cut off, one cannot feel this was because they had outstanding amount prior to the Special Property Tax.  If more English people spoke/wrote Greek, then they could help to introduce pay as you go systems for those who have funds limited, like the UK.  In the olden days in UK there were meters in homes where one put money in the slot, now there are plastic cards or keys that one tops up at local shop or garage with funds. I know a number of people out of work in UK who manage this way, one example is someone who owed money, so the amount being paid was for current use with some going towards what was owed until eventually they would catch up

I have in my lifetime been to homes without Electricity and running water.  The biggest hardship was the lack of running water.  There are alternative means one can use for heating, cooking and lighting.  What I would miss most would be the washing machine, phone and internet connection.  Guess a lot of people would miss their TV connection

Excuse me going off track from the heading, but was reading through some of the quoted links
  
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Approx 15000 people and organisations owe 37 billion euros in unpaid taxes.The gov has to get this money or start locking people up.And before anyone points out that some of this money is probably owed by institutions of the state.I know.It doesn't change anything.They still need to collect what's owed by private sector.

If they did that they wouldn't need to take a few hundred euros off people who cannot afford it. Angry

YoMo2 Couldn't agree more. For people who can't afford to pay their bill with the new tax on they are making no concession. Whatever the total shown as payable has to be paid in full. They did have an advert on TV for 2 days in October saying certain vulnerable groups needed to text their details to the Ministery, if they met certain critierea. As if! Would these groups know about this or even be able to do it.
  
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details still being worked out as you can see from this article.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_30/10/2011_412442
This follows a similar deal brokered by first the German and then the UK governments
  
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I don't care where they invest their money as long as they pay their taxes in Greece first!!!!

And what about the story that the Swiss were going to reveal to the Greek gov the names of Greek owners of Swiss bank accounts valued in the billions?  Any idea whether that has been resolved, or was that all nonsense?
  
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Chris, I've never seen it elswhere, but I'd like it to be true.  It would be so Greek, no? 

And is my arithmetic wrong or do these 15000 who owe 37 billion owe an average of 2.5 million each?  You can't help but get angry.......
  
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yes I agree Andrew but they did try to block the printing of the bills by a blockade of the office where the bills were printed but the printing venue was changed and they were still sent out automatically, the union does not issue the bills the company does and even if they could have stopped them being printed the Courts would have just made their actions illegal.
it is the disconnections of vulnerable groups that they have always objected to so we will see what happens, maybe someone has some corroborating evidence that the union was "bribed",I have searched the net but could find none.
http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/1/50438
and today
http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/1/50458
looks like GENOP are agreeing with your case

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Latsida, to be fair, I think the unions were originally refusing to issue the bills with the tax included. Perhaps the "bribe" was to get them to roll over on that, which they have certainly done. Let's hope they don't surrender on the disconnections front too. Although it sounds like they are "only" saying they want to protect the weak and vulnerable.

But we keep coming back to the same old stuff. Look at this recent article in Kathimerini.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_14/11/2011_414612

Approx 15000 people and organisations owe 37 billion euros in unpaid taxes. The gov has to get this money or start locking people up. And before anyone points out that some of this money is probably owed by institutions of the state. I know. It doesn't change anything. They still need to collect what's owed by private sector.

If they did that they wouldn't need to take a few hundred euros off people who cannot afford it. Angry

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it looks like the Blog that stated the unions had been bought off was definitely misleading see here.

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Reply #110 - 15. Nov 2011 at 14:19
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Article in the athens news today:
http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/1/50438

and the following blurb listed in the newsbites at 9 :

PROPERTY TAX Trade unionists in the Public Power Corporation (DEI) look likely to step up their resistance to the property tax, which is being levied through electricity bills. The government has said that whoever fails to pay the tax will have their power disconnected. In radio interviews yesterday, head unionist Nikos Fotopoulos said the company would do everything within its power to stop the tax. "We will set up neighbourhood groups to stop private companies cutting off supplies." Meanwhile, it has been reported that up to 100 families are living without electricity in the Cretan city of Hania after they were disconnected over arrears.
  
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I just logged on to post that article Gem!!
Thinking maybe if it doesn't generate what they want they'll find another tree to bark up???  ;-D
  
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Reply #108 - 13. Nov 2011 at 23:05
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Oh dear!
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_16385_13/11/2011_414541

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Reply #107 - 08. Nov 2011 at 18:02
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Very interesting article, and not unexpected given the experiences I outlined in earlier posts.  As I mentioned there, DEI simply work off the TAP details from the council, although that doesn't of course, preclude DEI making data entry errors off correct statistics......

All of which means we have to do battle with our local council as a starting point.  Joy.  It might pay to check the council's details first as DEI may have somehow wrongly entered correct data.  If you don't want to do a tour of multiple offices you'd be advised to know the original data is right or wrong.  Sad
  
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Reply #106 - 08. Nov 2011 at 15:59
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Perhaps if recent posters look back over the earlier posts they would see that chapter and verse has already been posted regarding how much, how and when. Wink
  
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Reply #104 - 08. Nov 2011 at 07:10
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Our electricity bill dated 18 October, received 31 October, has the new special property tax added - first 50% instalment.    As we pay by direct debit, we have no option but to pay the full amount.
  
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We received a bill right at the end of October, on 31st, and the first instalment of two was on there.
  
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Reply #102 - 07. Nov 2011 at 21:09
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It wasn't on our October bill, either, but I got stuck behind people in Sitia post office today who were trying to pay "only" the electricity charges, so we obviously just missed it on this bill, which I paid last week (on the due date).
  
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Do not worry Gary H , I also received my bill in October with no Special Property Tax included, it will be included in the next one we receive Cry
  
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Reply #100 - 07. Nov 2011 at 20:11
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Has anybody actually seen the 'new property tax' on a bill?

I have my last bill from October with only the 'standard' taxes on it and I keep hearing things like 'if you don't pay it by xxxxx you'll get you electricity cut off'.

My query is how can they cut you off if they haven't told you how much to pay etc....

  
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Reply #99 - 03. Nov 2011 at 08:47
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Interesting article about how the property tax is going.....

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_02/11/2011_412986
  
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Reply #98 - 02. Nov 2011 at 19:23
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We're slightly talking at cross purposes.  I've probably not been clear enough at the start.  I'll re-post and we can come back to it IF the new tax survives the next few weeks!!  For TAP it doesn't matter as it's so low anyway, but for the new tax we're talking about a possible difference of 25% in the tax assessment if DEI don't use the date of original build.

I'll post again later if it is still relevant in a few weeks.
  
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Reply #97 - 02. Nov 2011 at 19:10
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the houses only have to be 26 years or more to receive the lowest factor, it is not that long ago ....
a friend of mine here in this village has a part of his house that dates back centuries, things may look chaotic here but permits were needed if not centuries ago then in the last few decades, if there was no existing permit then that was probably because they did not have one.
However if you can prove  the date of the original build and that the property was indeed used as a home and the DEI have the wrong age then go for it! just a word of caution Cool

for example a friend of mine built his house which was part renovation without a permit which he then had to obtain retrospectively years later at a huge cost and not without many problems ( it was difficult to find a civil engineer willing to put his name to the build)
the present owner would be surely unwise to try to backdate this property's age now , who knows what problems they might encounter? Wink
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Well, cans of worms are obviously to be avoided at all costs, but am I not right in thinking that anything that old would have needed no permit and acquires all sorts of rights just by existing?

Anyway, I'm not suggesting anything weird.  It's a document that is required, and if the council are happy to write down it's year of construction rather than the later permit date then that's what you go for.  The 1910 thing may have just been a one-off.  Let's face it, happens all the time......   Huh
  
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depends whether the houses were legal or not before they obtained their building permit (the year the permit was issued), many in this area were declared as stores or agricultural buildings, you could be opening a can of worms Wink or in the case of houses built over water tanks ,flood gates Wink
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Re the logging of age on DEI records, I'll share what I think the situation is in case it helps others in the future.

Having looked at two different sets of documents for two different houses, I'm fairly certain that DEI log the age from the document supplied by the local council certifying the area of the house, which you have to get when you originally apply for electricity.  Now, this has a column on it headed "Year of building permit", (in Greek obviously).  In one case this lists the year as 1910, which is obviously a notional date bearing some resemblance to when the house was built, since the permit for conversion was actually issued in 2005.  In the other case the year is down as 2008, (the year the permit was issued), whereas the house was originally built at a similar time to the other house.

So, if you can possibly get a council to ignore the actual permit date, and log a notional date representing when the house was built, then that is what you should do to minimise tax calculations, present and future.

I'm pretty sure it will depend on who goes to the council and what mood the employee is in, but forewarned is forearmed.
  
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I suppose when they receive the copy of the"deeds" or the contract the previous owners and alterations are well detailed so the age must be there somewhere, I know they are on our contract and our house is many years old ,part of it was a stable and the two houses sold as one.

thanks for the breakdown of the age of the properties Smiley
  
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Well they do sometimes.  That's the worrying thing!!

Yeah, we may have a new government by the weekend.  Hold on to your money as long as possible. Shocked
  
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did not think they did Wink
the way things are going all this will be academic anyway Cheesy
  
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Reply #90 - 02. Nov 2011 at 15:02
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For those of you who like to check everything on bills, I finally tracked down the "newness" factors that are used to calculate the TAP on your electric bill.  See earlier posting for the "special"tax factors.

1-5 years old 0,90
6-10 years old 0,80
11-15 years old 0,75
16-20 years old 0,70
21-25 years old 0,65
26 years or more 0,60

The good news is that it appears that DEI do not always use connection date of electric to calculate "newness".  I know of a old stone house that was connected in 2005 but that is receiving the 26 years or more factor.  So it may be worth arguing with them if they are using the wrong factor for the new tax.  TAP is so low it's hardly worth the bother.

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Then they'll find out what it feels like for us trying to get money back from the government......... Grin
  
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Hi YoMo2,
well if they bought off the union it has not worked, they should ask for their money back Wink
  
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Well I agree they may not have NEEDED to buy off the unions.  But it would be much more Greek to do it that way, don't you think.......

Re the TAP, the problem in checking your bill is that you have to know what the scales of PALAIOTHTA are.  Does anyone know what age is represented by the factor of 0,9 or 0,6?  You need to know this in order to check whether the correct factor is being applied.  I have had a quick trawl round but cannot find anything re TAP. 

However, the factoring scales re the new "special tax" as we are calling it are as follows:

More than 25 years old: 1,0
20-25 years old: 1,05
15-19 years old: 1,1
10-14 years old: 1,15
5-9 years old: 1,2
0-4 years old: 1,25

Couldn't find a decent link to copy, but hopefully I have transcribed these correctly.

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Reply #86 - 02. Nov 2011 at 11:48
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the calculations for TAP are sq.metre x price zone x age of property (PALAIOTHTA) , so anyone now worried about this can check their most recent bill to see their assessment for both TAP and the new property duty

the age of my property is shown as 60 (despite extensive renovations 10 years ago) so obviously that was when it was first connected to Electricity supplied to the village .

Hi YoMo2
I am not disputing that the bills have been sent out, I posted earlier on another thread that I knew of people that have them already, but the unions are still continuing their opposition, this is the point I was trying to make.
There was no need in "buying off the union" any action taken by them now or in the future could be just declared illegal by the courts without having to pay them a cent.
see here
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_13/10/2011_410729
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Reply #85 - 02. Nov 2011 at 09:27
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So, on top of everything else those of us who pay by direct debit must uplift the total authorised to be taken from our accounts to include the new property tax amount. The information seems to suggest that this is either a one-off each year or possibly an addition to each electricity bill. In any event to prevent the non-payment by the bank we have to increase our direct debit by, what is at this moment, an unknown sum. Certainly as our house is over a century old and in a 'poor' hill village we had not expected it to be a huge sum; however if indeed the point of 'newness' is on connection we are only three years old. Heigh ho!
  
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Still re special tax but on another front.

As with all these desperate taxes done on the rush to get money in quickly, they have not set it up at all fairly.  Those of us with old stone houses, (more than 25 years old), should pay at the standard rate.  That is there should be no uplift for "newness" of the property. However to make life easy, they are rating the age based on DEH data.  In other words, how long since it was connected to electricity.

So if your 75 year-old stone house was only connected to electricity 3 years ago, you get a tax demand uplifted by 25%...... 

They originally claimed that the tax bands were designed to tax more heavily owners of shiny new villas, supposedly more able to afford it.

Oh well,, I don't suppose it's any less fair than everything else that's going on.

BTW, DEH also use this wrong age basis to calculate your TAP tax every bill.........
  
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Listed in the phonebook under Telefax (so hope this means a "normal" fax number. 28430-22471. Can't see anything else in the listings that resembles a fax number!
  
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Reply #82 - 02. Nov 2011 at 08:33
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The article about union objections to collecting the tax was updated several times after it's initial posting.  Anyway, it's academic.  The bills are being printed, they are being sent out.  I have one in my hand.  It's a done deal. 

The only thing we don't know for sure, is what happens if you don't pay!  Anyone want to risk being cut off?  Given that the government may well collapse by the weekend, (Vote of confidence Friday midnight), the tax could even be repealed by a new government........

I personally am not keen to pay a tax that may be repealed and then spend the rest of my life trying to get a refund.
  
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"One day before payment expires".  This most probably simply means that payment is taken by DEH one day before the due date of the bill.  It's just like any other DD.  The company being paid takes the money at the last possible date before it is due.  All you have to do is to make sure there is enough money in the account.  If you run the account very low, you may have a problem since the bill will be artificially inflated by the tax demand.  Next year will be less of an issue since the tax is apparently being split into 4 instalments rather than the 2 this year.

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Reply #80 - 02. Nov 2011 at 00:00
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My hero LOL!
At least I can amend our standing order now.
Now can someone tell me what was meant by the statement 'one day before the payment expires' as we have no idea when our bill will be delivered and thus working in the dark as to how long we have to sort things out at the bank.
Many thanks indeed
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http://www.sitia.gr/city/emergency-calls.html#bank


If you scroll down to the 5th box you'll see the phone numbers followed by the fax. Hope it's of help.


( looks like no need to scroll,  yours is the first one )
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Can someone elucidate this statement, please?
We're stuck in the UK trying to arrange payment to our bank in Sitia to cover this payment.
Can any Sitia resident give me a fax number for the National Bank of Greece - I only have their telephone number.
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thanks for that.
this is not what the union official is quoted as saying in the Guardian so we shall have to wait and see what happens.
the article you quoted was written in September and there have been protests by the union since then ,including occupying the facility that prints the bills.
see here

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2011/10/13/union-occupies-electricity-company-t...

this quote is taken from the above link and is very important for those of us who pay via a bank account

"If you pay the DEH-bill via a bank account, the property tax will be paid automatically. You have to check whether there is enough money on the account and/or add the amount needed, one day before the payment expires. I was told by the bank, that to be sure the tax has been paid, you should double check one day after the money has been withdrawn from your account."

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Here is a link to the info re the union, which I found on the American in Athens website as I call it. I think it's actually called something a bit less pithy. Great site though.

http://livingingreece.gr/2011/09/19/new-property-tax-greece/#more-6982

It's right at the bottom, in the section titled "What happens if I refuse to pay".

As with all these things it could be wrong, but it certainly sounds like the sort of thing that would happen. "We're not doing that!" "Here's some money" "Oh, OK then"....... Grin
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here are the details of the consequences of non payment for those members who do not live here so that they can arrange payment of their bills maybe by their lawyers or friends here.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_19/10/2011_411190

interesting what you wrote about the union YoMo2 do you have a link to this info? I would be interested to read the details
thanks

found this from The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/30/greeks-threatened-with-power-cuts?ne...

"With thousands of electricity bills yet to be printed, militant unionists at the public power corporation, DEH, who recently took over the company's printing press, have threatened to step up action. "We are not going to do the government's dirty work," railed Nikos Fotopoulos who heads the union. "Electricity is a social commodity, not a means to collect taxes. We will do everything to ensure that unemployed people, poor people do not have their electricity cut."

maybe there will be more problems then
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Yeah, they were all morality until the government bought them off by paying the union 0.025% of all revenues raised. A cool 5m euro in the unions coffers..........

I've just had a bill with the tax on. They are going out as we speak. If it's a final bill you have to pay within 40 days of the expiry date of the bill or be cut off, allegedly. The annual bill is split into two instalments. This is the first.

Happy days. Wait till after the referendum, if you can!! Angry
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I thought the electricity suppliers had refused to send out bills which included the property tax ................... or have I missed something?
  
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received my DEH bill today no property tax included Wink

more info here
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It will be interesting to see how the latest moves by ΓΕΝΟΠ turns out. They are refusing to print out electricity bills with the new tax on it.




http://www.protothema.gr/news-in-english ; /article/?aid=152095


http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_90_12/10/2011_410703
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No it's a residential property, our tariff appears to be the same as yours but the unit price is more due to our higher consumption.
There doesn't seem to be any price advantage, but when a single phase goes out locally, we still have electricity for most of the house when others around us have none at all.
  
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Ours is 0.054/kWh for the "Γ1 οικιακη χρεωση" tariff (domestic use). 3 phase supply - is that for commercial use?
  
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Just got my latest electricity bill (4 monthly, not the estimated one) no property tax included.
Bill is for 19/05 to 14/09 so it will probably appear on the next one.
Out of curiosity, how much is the standard unit price, I am told that ours is cheaper because we are on a 3 phase supply, price is 0.0727/kWh.
  
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YOu can find the latest information here
http://www.apokoronasourhome.com/pdfs/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20Special%20property%...
But as always, speak to your own accountant about it!
  
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Thanks guys re the info to the link.  I studied it and there is no mention of my 'village / area' but found one nearby, so I guess it's a wait and see situation.  I did have a quick browse when it was posted but gave up as I was going boss-eyed but I persevered this time!!!!  Am just glad I haven't got a glitzy pad in the centre of town!!!!  Wink
  
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MCD wrote on 05. Oct 2011 at 20:06:
Maybe I am really dumb............ no comments please !! I just want to see a list of areas....... i.e Malia is zone 3, Sisi is zone 2, Milatos is zone 4, Elounda is zone 3 etc etc. Or is this on the ΔΕΗ bill in amongst the sq mts etc?????

Thanks and sorry if I am missing something very simple Sad


If you follow the link provided by footscapes, go down to Crete then click on the area you want i.e. Rethymno, or Heraklio - then each village is listed and the actual figure in euros is provided under ΤΙΜΕΣ ΖΩΝΩΝ
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Maybe I am really dumb............ no comments please !!  I just want to see a list of areas....... i.e Malia is zone 3, Sisi is zone 2, Milatos is zone 4, Elounda is zone 3 etc etc.  Or is this on the ΔΕΗ bill in amongst the sq mts etc?????

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MCD wrote on 05. Oct 2011 at 17:42:
Doers anyone know if they have printed the 'zones' yet so we can assess our property tax bills???


Link on page 3 of this thread
  

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Doers anyone know if they have printed the 'zones' yet so we can assess our property tax bills???
  
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If it has a tiled roof it is deemed to be a permanent building capable of enclosure and used as an adjunct of the house. It is taxed per Msq...if the authorities find out.
  
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the new measures seem to be having some effect see here

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_11474_04/10/2011_409438
  
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moggy1923 wrote on 01. Oct 2011 at 19:38:
pay extra tax for outside built barbeques


Not sure if this could be a factor to include for taxation as far as the 'built area' is concerned.

One Greek owned property near me has a massive outdoor kitchen/barbeque on one side of their garden with another similar building opposite. Both permanent, beautifully built, stone structures with fully tiled roofs and lighting etc fitted. They even take the TV out in summer!

I suppose it all boils down to whether they got a licence to go ahead with the job when it was done. There doesn't seem to be any way the Authorities can check up, if like a swimming pool, it does not show up on the records lodged for the property.

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Reply #56 - 01. Oct 2011 at 19:38
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Am sure got this wrong, as someone told me today, that people have to pay extra tax for outside built barbeques.  gave me the figure of 500 - must be wrong!
  
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Many Thanks to Latsida and Footscapes for the links you have posted on this subject. I had managed to more or less work mine out, but found info in your links an added bonus.
  
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Crete, Greece

Needs you to pay as soon as you can this charge, that I sincerely believe going forward will be a yearly charge.

To be clear, this is a property owner charge (so down through the future years a charge to be taken into account before deciding to rent out property &/or the rental charge)


There will be some Cretan, Greeks who wil find it extremely hard to find this money in the time-frame, so your prompt payment might assist them to find the time to pay, - if that makes sense for the lower percentage targets.

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property surface area x price zone coefficient x building age coefficient = property TAX .. price zone from DEI bill .. age of your building also comes in to it .. example an 85m2 apt located in the 2300 price zone and built 20 years ago will cost its owners 85x8x1.05=714 euros .. you can find all details on your electric bill for the price zone ... This is how i think it will be worked out ( BUT DONT TAKE THIS AS GOSPEL )
  

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Tedblue wrote on 27. Sep 2011 at 21:39:
http://www.protothema.gr/news-in-english/article/?aid=148767

Now in English.

It usually takes an hour or two before they get round to printing the Enlish version.



Thanks for the link Tedblue.

Like it or not we will have to pay it so may as well do it with a smile on our faces and do our bit to help the economy.  Smiley

  

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http://www.protothema.gr/news-in-english/article/?aid=148767

Now in English.

It usually takes an hour or two before they get round to printing the Enlish version.
  
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I can't translate but I'll take your word for it! Great news (not!) - just as I've discovered that BBC News and red button have gone off Sky..... Sad
  
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It'now official. The new property tax has been passed.

http://www.reporter.gr/%CE%95%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%82/%CE%9F%C...

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http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_25/09/2011_407928

No 6 Will all property owners be obliged to pay the tax?
No. People who have been jobless for more than a year and do not receive unemployment benefits, as well as those on the list of people looking for work as seamen, will be exempt. Unemployed people who have an annual income of 12,000 euros and over will have to pay. Families with three children and more, as well as disabled people will be taxed at a rate of 0.50 euros per square meters if they have an annual family income of under 30,000 euros. Also, the exemption for the unemployed, large families and the disabled will not be in force if the property in question is worth more than 150,000 euros (increased by 10,000 euros for every dependent child) or if the property is in a zone priced at above 3,000 euros per sq.m


Does this mean that if you are retired and not drawing any pensions etc and have no income that the property tax will not apply ?


I hope so !
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latsida wrote on 17. Sep 2011 at 11:18:
having read this article I think we may not need to worry so much about this tax Wink
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_23806_16/09/2011_406793




Thanks for the link Christine.

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Doh!!! .... how stupid am I - 'EPT' should have been a clue! Thanks, Andreas and sorry for misleading you, Carolinec.  Embarrassed
  
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Sorry but TΑΠ has nothing to do with TV.

The TV fee is the one where is written EPT and the yearly amount is now 50,88

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Carolinec: To my knowledge, this is the equivalent of the  UKtv licence which is taken to subsidise the ERT national broadcaster. It has always appeared on my bill  Smiley
  
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having read this article I think we may not need to worry so much about this tax Wink
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_23806_16/09/2011_406793
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Reply #42 - 17. Sep 2011 at 10:58
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On my recent bill (up to 22/8) I have numbers and a charge of 3.17 euros under the section TΑΠ!! Never appeared on a previous before!
  
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Binx, I received and paid this bill last week - it was for up to 22/08/2011.  Smiley
  
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Are the new electric bills due out  now ?
  
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According to today's 'Athens News' your price zone can be found on your ΔΕΗ bill. Scrutinising mine, on the second page within the left-hand box there is an equation for ΤΑΠ; the second figure for this is headed as ΤΙΜΗ ΖΩΝΗΣ - I think this is to what they are referring - in my case - 450, which makes my price 3 per sq. m. Hope this might help.  Sad
  
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as I checked for Latsida the lists for Ag Nik where listed by the town areas, do you know the name of the area where your property is situated?
they were 550-600
this is a quote from Ekathimerini about apartments


"POMIDA further noted that the communal areas of apartment blocks should be exempted from the charge, as building managers are already having huge difficulties in collecting communal charges."


http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_15/09/2011_406613
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I'm afraid I haven't been able to understand this - my greek is very limited. Does anyone know what the town of Aghios Nikolaos itself is and what that means for the rate? Also, how is this going to work for blocks of apartments where the footprint of the building is say 100 m sq but each floor is configured differently and most of the apartments separately owned by private owners, not tenants or landlords?
  
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thanks Paul.
So TFC Latsida has a TZ of 500, not so bad then  Wink
  
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Thanks for that Paul. It was useful to find out where I stand before seeing the Accountant, also an exercise in using my basic knowledge of the Greek alphabet! As you say most of our local villages are in the 600 bracket.

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Courtesy of one of the posters on greeceishome.gr forum (who found the information in the first place), here is a LINK to a full list of all "zone prices" (the basis for the new tax) throughout Greece.

It's in Greek and each section opens a (lengthy) .pdf. Crete is section VI, divided into the 4 prefectures (with Rethymno then sub-divided into two areas). The value you want is the one labelled "(T.Z.)".

Although the data is labelled 2007, it seems to correspond with the value on my E.T.AK. form from last year. On a cursory look, many of the zones in Rethymno prefecture seem to be in price band 600, 650 or 700, all of which would correspond to a base tax value (before age uplift) of Eur 4 per square metre. (As Tedblue pointed out above, this is still in draft and due for debate/voting in parliament).

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Sorry , UndecidedI honestly do not know what category we are